Geluid op basis van wireless patronen (?): http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/04/04/verizon-wireless-hear-me-now geluiden: http://www.voiptroubleshooter.com/open_speech/american.html en uitleg: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/audio/harvard.html ------------------------------------------------- BitMover beweegt van OS naar commerciele markt Volgens de verkoopsverantwoordelijke zijn ze de laatste jaren explosief gegroeid, en het gebruik van de commerciele versie is veel groter dan dat van de Open Source projecten die het gebruiken. De BitTracker-software zorgt voor het opvolgen van de code bij grote projecten, waar veel medewerkers hun werk moeten samenbrengen in een uiteindelijke versie. De opvolging van het kluwen van wijzigingen die al dan niet geintegreerd moeten worden tijdens de ontwikkeling gebeurt met de software. Het wordt niet alleen gebruikt bij ontwikkeling van software, maar ook bij ontwikkeling van apparaten met een electronische besturing of "firmware". En, sinds een paar jaar ook door Linus Torvalds en de ontwikkelaars van de Linux kernel. Die worden nu voor het voldongen feit gesteld dat ze ofwel een betalende versie moeten kopen, ofwel van opvolgingssysteem moeten veranderen. Ze zoeken nu naar een alternatief dat bij voorkeur niet enkel gratis is maar vooral vrije software is. Er zijn een paar projecten die in aanmerking komen, maar ze zijn niet zo ver gevorderd als BitKeeper. Mogelijk krijgen de vrije projecten nu wel extra input en versneld BitMover eigenlijk de ontwikkeling van de concurrentie. Bitkeeper (from BitMover) bericht op Kerneltrap: kerneltrap.org: down ! An anonymous reader writes "KernelTrap has a lengthy article detailing BitMover's recent decision to drop support for its free version of BitKeeper. Linus Torvalds began using BitKeeper back in February of 2002, a decision that has resulted in frequent flamefests, but also in increased kernel development productivity. Evidently the recent decision was due to OSDL's decision to keep paying a developer who was working on reverse engineering BitKeeper... What tool Linus will move to is still being determined." + Linus Torvalds over de zaak: "let the flames begin" Bruce Perens mengde zich aktief in de discussie met: Well, mine isn't best but I sure want to be counted as an "I told you" on this one too. But it seems like lots of people told him so, and we all got dissed because they said we weren't pragmatic. Well, we were pragmatic, and the folks who thought they were the pragmatic ones weren't thinking through consequences all of the way to the end-game. The question is where to go now? My preference would be GNU Arch, as it's more decentralized. But it may not be ready for this heavy a use, and I am hardly an expert in revision control. > I can hardly think any more convincing example of the superiority of OSS than what just happened. I think it's a demonstration that Open Source is more dependable. We understood that, but it seems paradoxical to outisders that it is the exclusive rights-holder, the very company that purports to support the software, that reduces dependability. Bruce It's not clear to me that OSDL ever agreed to a bitkeeper license. Linus brought Bitkeeper there with him. And even Linus accepted Bitkeeper before the anti-reverse-engineering provision was in the license. But I agree that it's a demonstration that breaking licenses loses you all rights to the software. From the minute that Larry inserted the anti-reverse-engineering provision, this was destined to happen. Some of us knew better than to put ourselves in the position of having it happen to us. I never entered into a Bitkeeper license, I never used the product. Bruce First, don't assume it was OSDL screwing over anyone. Larry changed the deal, repeatedly. It started out that we just had to use his "notification server", and then other odd terms came up at intervals like termination of the license for those who attempt to make other software compatible with Bitkeeper through reverse-engineering. OSDL refused to terminate an employee or consultant who was also reverse-engineering Bitmover as a hobby Open Source project outside of OSDL. Had they terminated that person, the hue and cry would have been greater. There was never a chance that this relationship could work, because of the lack of an Open Source license and the mercurialism Larry regularly displayed. Thanks Bruce >What consequences? Having the kernel be way better than it would have been if Linus had listened to you people and not used BitKeeper? >Sure, BitKeeper might be going away--but the things Linus accomplished while it was here will NOT go way. What consequences? I accept that it might have been the only working solution at the time, but Linus would have done better if he'd said it was temporary until a good Open Source product came along. Because it was anyway. There are consequences. 1000 people are going to have to learn a new facility, that facility is going to have to be deployed and files are going to have to be moved into it in a laborious version by version process to convert them, etc. There is also all of the surplus heat produced by the multi-year argument that Bitkeeper brought and some loss of productivity because of that, includng some untold number of people who would otherwise have worked on the kernel but bugged out because of the Bitkeeper decision. Bruce I've been to this argument before. I remember when it was about why I should accept TrollTech's non-Open-Source license on Qt. People who did not want to accept that started GNOME. And as GNOME came along and threatened to eclipse their work, TrollTech was convinced to Open Source the Qt library. Their company literally took off with that decision. It's much, much larger now. But there never had to be a GNOME if TrollTech had only figured things out earlier. Bruce Een andere commentaar: - - - - by Stephen Ma (163056) on Wednesday April 06, @03:48PM (#12158003) BitKeeper provided a free, powerful system that helped Linux, and the Linux community, tremondously. No one debates that BitMover received an immense marketing boost from Linus' adoption of BitKeeper. The company founded by Larry McVoy would probably not be viable today without Linus' implied endorsement of their product. So please don't pretend that BitMover was doing Linus a favor -- the reality was very much the other way around. When BitMover was just getting started, nobody knew what BitKeeper was, and nobody had any idea whether it was a reliable program. Because an archive of source code is the repository of the corporate jewels, reliability is crucial. Cautious sysadmins want a revision control system to have a long track record for dependability, and they would not have touched a newbie program like BitKeeper with a ten foot pole. So BitMover's survival in a crowded market was very uncertain from the start. Linus' adoption of BitKeeper lent it enormous credibility, and is probably the most important reason why Larry McVoy's company continues to exist today. Linus benefited somewhat from BitKeeper, but BitKeeper benefited vastly more from Linus. ------------------------------------------------- Sun over GPL: "ontwikkelingslanden moeten hun intellectuele inspanningen zomaar terug aan de ontwikkelde wereld geven" I think Van Gogh should have stipulated that all his unsold paintings be burnt after his death. I mean, if he didn't profit from them, why the hell should he share them with an ungrateful world? Why on Earth would anybody do anything unless they stand to gain from it? You'd have to be a really stupid fucking schmuck to give anything to the world for free. I agree totally, and I will say more. I believe a major cause of the lack of respect for Intellectual Property in the US (at least) are public libraries, and to a lesser extent public museums and parks. While these institutions are certainly legal under current law, what impression is one to gain from them? Why, none other than the idea that we all have the right to enjoy other peoples' property, any time we feel like it, for FREE! How can we allow children to be brought up with such an un-American belief? We need a call to action, and I propose that laws aren't enough. We must have a Constitutional Amendment, banning public libraries, public museums, and abolishing the national and state park systems, with the land to be sold for $1 an acre to companies equipped to develop that resource. There can be no genuine argument against this, as it is for the public good; just as the civic-minded citizens of Kansas (where I reside) have just enacted an amendment to the state constitution banning gay marriage, also for the public good. This decision is now being celebrated by church ministers across the state, also as it should be. I realize some readers of Slashdot are not Christians, but to those among you who do not follow the Lord and live in immorality I say only, make no mistake -- you are a tiny, tiny minority of the general population. To the rest of us I say, be vigilant! We may all sometimes feel an impulse toward tolerance or sharing, but we must be strong. These deviant urges are not part of the American Way, and worse, certainly not part of the Christian Life.